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which until this one was the largest mass shooting of the year and i told you then and i'll remind you tonight what the buffalo police said. they did say something accurate. they said they were out gunned by that single killer with weapons of war and body armor. and now we're seeing the evidence that some of these texas officers were allegedly acting like they would do anything other than lean into a fire fight this out gunned against these kind of legal weapons of war in america. now, there is also evidence that some of these actions would violate their obligation and job duties and current policy. we can get into that. that's part of this. others say this kind of response under scores why, wait for it, yes, let's talk about it, talking about policy and law and the danger to children, i'm not talking about politics. this is so much more important than politics. that's why a lot of people that
although on 911 logs. 12:47 please quote send the police now. it was not until 50 minutes of police waiting outside they entered and killed the shooter. this police inaction means scenes like this newly released photographs were allowed to continue. these are the pictures from that day of people fleeing from a shooting that according to authorities, including what i played for you went on far longer than it had to. we've also reported on people and parents who spent time outside the school and this is so harrowing if you think of them as people, human beings outside the school, their kids are inside and it's become clear that things aren't happening. it's become clear that the police are spending efforts outside the school restraining parents rather than going in and some began yelling and agitating for action to maybe save their children's lives because they could see many police were not
you should know you need to make an emergency assault. you should be able to do that within ten to 15 minutes. they should have entered by 12:25 or 12:30. yes, people are bleeding but they're -- you can save them and you can kill this guy. so there is a lot of nuances to it and we're asking a lot for chief of police that super vices six people. these are decisions the federal service we train constantly for and experience big city swat commander experience these. i'm sure this chief never did. they were brave. the other just -- i'll close with this. the other thing american policing has to do is be prepared to breach and they're not prepared to breach on the patrol side. >> that's why there are multiple pieces. i appreciate your precision. anyone can stand a long ways away and assess it and potentially misevaluate it. and yet, it's very clear if you wipe away the politics and crap
they are alive in that classroom. lives were at risk. >> we're well aware of that. there is no excuse for that. >> no excuse. this is where the story turned with new details about the bungled response to the texas school shooting. i'm joined by chief of homeland security and intelligence and a first responder to the sandy hook shooting and at the 9/11 attack at the world trait center. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> we're talking about this difficult part of the response. i mentioned on the show and want to share with viewer something you're well aware of, what current policy best practice states about an active shooter situation like this. the trainings teach police to quote stop the killings. officers are taught the response should be stopping the killing and dying according to a training program based in texas, which is actually the national standard. you neutralize the gunman and try to aid the wounded, those
significant. they are not the kind of facts that as a society we would benefit from ignignoring. we are learning that more calls to 911 kept pouring in from inside the classroom, from the children inside watching their fellow students murdered and the calls were begging for police who were a few feet away and the police continued to wait and fail to act. experts say this is a total breakdown failure and a quote wrong decision. days later, texas officials do not even have words to try to explain this response failure. pressed just today the public safety chief just reiterated that officers on the scene made a decision to wait for more armed tactical officers to arrive rather than confront the armed shooter who was murdering children. >> it was a 40-minute gap and if the911 operators were aware
castro, former obama officials. your thoughts on what we learned and what we around the nation are learning about governor abbott? >> well, it's absolutely heartbreaking, ari, to learn this new information today. i mean, the story has changed about the response over these last four days and to understand what those parents must be going through, the agony of knowing their children in the cassroom were alive and calling police over and over and police were outside the door and could have helped but made a terrible decision not to go in there, today at his news conference governor abbott looked more frazzled than i've ever seen him in his time in public office. there is good reason for that. he must certainly understand how badly his administration, the public safety agency bungled not only the incident response but the explanation of that incident
what the officers were up against. take a listen. >> one thing that, overcourse, of course the american people need to understand is that officers are making entry into the building, they don't know where the gunman is. they're hearing gunshots. they are receiving gunshots. at that point, if they proceeded any further not knowing where this suspect was at, they could have been shot. they could have been killed. >> jim, that goes to the weaponry side of this. and again, that's lieutenant chris alavarez. if you're confronting any dangerous situation, which police do, might be handgun, might be someone behind a door, how is it different if they already know the person has an ar like this? >> you're already losing if you have a handgun. if you have three officers with a handgun, you're already losing like the retired cop killed in buffalo. he had a handgun and faced an ar-15. he's dead. you are just losing already.
of this attack and response and then how he spread it. a lot of this is coming out of the course of today. depending what you're up to, you may not have heard the gruesome details but he's using this as a time to take a platform within a crisis to lie about gun safety and gun control. we'll get into that. late today, the governor used a damage control press conference to repeatedly push false claims about public safety policy. here are the new details emerging about the failed police response to this shooter and some are absolutely gut wrenching. we are learning the timeline which is now updated because of the misinformation i mentioned. we're learning 19 police officers erroneously waited 45 minutes outside the close room without ever breaking in to confront the killer inside. we're learning that the killer was able to thus continue to repeatedly fire weapons again while the police were outside the door. these are facts that are terrible but they are also
task force that are highly trained tactical paramedics that go in with the police officers and extract and treat these victims in the hot zone. you don't have much time when you're bleeding out from an artery wound. >> for sure. we're seeing also the parents and the families speaking out. i want to play a little bit of what we're hearing. this is the bot brother of one the victims. >> are you guys frustrated about the way the police handled this? >> very frustrated. >> what frustrates you the most? >> they didn't do [ bleep ]. they didn't do anything. >> they were standing there around the whole time. >> do you think maybe if they acted sooner xavier would be alive? >> everybody would be alive. >> everybody would be. >> everybody would have been alive. i don't think none of this would have happened if they would have done their job right. >> i'm not going to argue with the family members. i think they have a really good point. i'd like to point to you that there is another larger story
cops barged into that classroom and the guy shot the cops and the cops just started shooting. >> that's some of the eyewitness account. obviously, the child being maintained anonymous from a local interview. what's texas' chief executive, the governor doing? we have more on that later in the program but let me tell you what he's doing. governor abbott took time today to make a political gesture during this period of essential crisis management for recorded , national rifle association in texas. it's out in the open, a fear by police of the criminals because criminals can legally buy war weapons on the open market. it's all out in the open. the crowdedness of politicians