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What russia is saying, but any confirmation that a sam did take this plane down. >> we have not received confirmation yet this was russian air defense outside the capital of moscow, but the timing is interesting. trans ponder lost contact with ground control. the plane, according to the video, appears to have been shot out of the sky by missile defense around the russian capital. but all of this appears to have some level of coordination. you have russian president putin at this concert in southern russia. russian state media is reporting that prigozhin was killed in the crash and this is some...

The question in who was behind that. there are a lot of warning signs along the way. the fact the trans ponder was turned off, the flight pattern changed abruptly. we have two iranians with stolen passport that's were not checked with interpol which we would have done in this country. one-way tickets bought with cash that the hijackers do, there are a lot of questions raised. one thing is very clear, chris. this was an intentional, deliberate act that unfortunately probably killed 239 people. >> as we said, they're now focusing on the crew and the passengers. any evidence that you have heard s...

The question in who was behind that. there are a lot of warning signs along the way. the fact the trans ponder was turned off, the flight pattern changed abruptly. we have two iranians with stolen passport that's were not checked with interpol which we would have done in this country. one-way tickets bought with cash that the hijackers do, there are a lot of questions raised. one thing is very clear, chris. this was an intentional, deliberate act that unfortunately probably killed 239 people. >> as we said, they're now focusing on the crew and the passengers. any evidence that you have heard s...

Does it read like a deliberate turn? >> it looks like a deliberate turn, the question is whether the pilot did it or someone else? i fly flight simulators on my mack and change the heading in a matter of seconds. you dial it in the heading and sul you'll see the magnetic arc -- >> that is so nerdy and impressive. >> i can go major aviation geek on you. i'll spare you that. the point is in flight it doesn't take a lot to change direction of the aircraft. >> and it's a sharp turn like that. it could have been some sudden change in circumstances that triggered that? >> it could have been an intru...

You also focus part of your conversation on the issue of passport and how they relate to stolen passports as it were and how they relate to the malaysia aircraft. i want a second explanation on what you learned in that conversation as well. >> importantly, what he said, first of all, there are far too many breaches and stolen passports being used that after 9/11, we have some sort -- in these years let down our guard. but very importantly, he is not ruling out anything at all. there was no warning or chatter. there is some claim of responsibility since but nothing that's credible. he says that...