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Ever been with this investigation. and i think that's part of why you're seeing these talks break down, nicolle. >> barbara mcquade, let me give you the last word on this. i understand from a source that the search to find the president more and better, perhaps, lawyers is very much ongoing. how does the reporting today from our network affect that search? >> well, it seems it's more important than ever that president trump have an experienced seasoned criminal defense attorney to assist him. the lawyers that he's had representing him in the past are his business lawyers, people who. done tran...

They're going to need somebody or they need more sales, then they need that right salesperson. >> guy, in a case like this, do you suggest hiring an employee or contractor to test it out? >> the conservative step is to hire a contractor just to make sure that your perceived need for more employees is true, but i think once you are sure of that need, you should hire an plea because the advantages of morale and motivation and long-term loyalty are much longer and stronger for an plea versus simply a freelancer or a contractor. >> plus, there's something that goes along, j.j., with hiring a first...