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Same. look at that. it was 64/34 biden when you round up in california last november. so, you know, basically the democrats, their goal in this thing, you heard it through their messaging, let me see if i can get this up here. you heard it through the democrats' messaging, tried to nationalize this, attach this to attitudes of trump, they had biden in there the night before. you can go county by county and it becomes dramatic. take a look down here, for instance, orange county, south of los angeles, this is one of the biggest counties in the country. you see the recall. not everything is count...

That old adage that politics ultimately is very local. we can talk about trump, larry elder, crazy stuff on the right wing, but if you're worried about being accosted on the street or someone is urinating in your front yard, it feels different to you, and that's what democrats need to remember, that this is really something we got to pay attention to and the rhetoric around crime and law enforcement has sometimes been really counter productive for my party. now, having said that, what's going to really help democrats, and you have touched on this in the first hour, that is as long as you have ...

The number is going to be, 3.5 trillion, could be a little bit less, but i do believe ultimately this legislation will pass because there's too much at stake for it not to. >> i want to ask you about the california recall, good outcome for gavin newsom, but are there any take aways for democrats moving forward? >> yeah, i mean, look, on the one hand, mika, we talked about this several times on the show. he should not have gone to french laundry, saying one thing to his constituents and doing something else. if you go out there and talk about getting people vaccinated, talk about getting teache...

As he did. i am curious. why does it seem that in san francisco, for instance, a city that's almost unrecognizable from where it was 15 years ago, it's almost like you're walking back into new york city in 1977 or 1978. why is there a growing frustration among democrats around quality of life issues in california, in places like san francisco, and why aren't democratic politicians recognizing that and responding to it. >> well, first, dealing with the homeless population is hard, joe, because so many of the people who are homeless are self-medicating for various mental health issues or they ha...

Anti-vaccine party, an anti-science party, immigrant party and be a majority party in this country and larry elder was so extreme that it made the task very easy. i think one of the lessons can be in the midterms. remember, it's not just democrats running on a positive agenda. it's democrats running against a more radicalized republican party than when trump was in office, and i think people have to understand this, the republicans in the house are more radical today than when trump was actually president, and i don't think that's going to serve them well in suburban districts or across the co...