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Unaffordable. to so many american families. and the idea that we're going to go down this level of analysis that suggests that status quo is okay is completely unacceptable. >> so people who have private insurance would eventually have to give that up under your plan? >> they would eventually be covered under medicare for all and still see their doctor. that's what they want. >> how long would this transition take, do you envision? >> the bill is four years. i think it will have to take more than that to be honest with you. >> all of this done without a middle class tax hike. >> yes. >> 30 tri...

A four-year transition period, is it four years that private insurance will still be around before it goes away? >> yes. >> how do you get rid of the private insurance? >> there will be a transition period, that is right. >> kamala -- i want to push you on the time line, kamala harris who said she believes in medicare for all, says it will take longer than you're suggesting, it's not realistic, here's what she told our kyung law. >> how long would this transition take in. >> i think the transition is going to have to take -- i think it's going to have to take more than that. >> and all this do...

Can play by different rules than anybody else that seems to have enveloped this administration and now it's seeping in to the republican leadership. but you're exactly right. the one nominee who was similar to some of these nominees under president obama, penny prikser, a billionaire, took six months before she could file the papers and then you have to develop a plan and if you don't, the liabilities that you speak to there could hold. >> so then there's fbi background checks, which is more astounding to me. i watched this up close back in 2009 when i was in d.c. and watched the transition ta...

Have this done. but there's a certain sort of casualness, a certain sort of we can play by different rules than anybody else that seems to have enveloped this administration and now it's seeping in to the republican leadership. but you're exactly right. the one nominee who was similar to some of these nominees under president obama, penny prikser, a billionaire, took six months before she could file the papers and then you have to develop a plan and if you don't, the liabilities that you speak to there could hold. >> so then there's fbi background checks, which is more astounding to me. i watc...

That animated his campaign, but soon enough. enough he'll have to turn the hard work of governing. is he ready to make america great again? here to discuss our new york times columnist, nicholas, we've been watching this transition take place. he has steve bannon and controversial appointments. he's also making headway in his transition. what strikes you the most about this transition and his cabinet? >> i guess a couple of things. one is that for a populous, some of the folks storming washington aren't carrying pitch forks. they're carrying swiss bank accounts. we have penny p -- the secretar...