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And what sounds unusual to me is just an observer, is that only putin's translator was involved in that discussion? no u.s. officials involved in that other than trump. and that white house didn't disclose the meeting or give a read-out about it. is that just strange or is that worrying? >> it is absolutely worrying. if it were, as ian said at the top of your hour, if it was a five or ten minute pull-aside, that happens all of the time. that's what you use those dinners for. to have a little say. set up a meeting. follow up on something. but an hour-long conversation with only one translator, ...

At a meeting but not -- sorry, at a dinner. later that evening at the g20. and what sounds unusual to me is just an observer, is that only putin's translator was involved in that discussion? no u.s. officials involved in that other than trump. and that white house didn't disclose the meeting or give a read-out about it. is that just strange or is that worrying? >> it is absolutely worrying. if it were, as ian said at the top of your hour, if it was a five or ten minute pull-aside, that happens all of the time. that's what you use those dinners for. to have a little say. set up a meeting. follo...

And go all the way over the dinner to talk to putin, but he did so for a long period of time, did so with other heads of state and didn't bring an american translator. he relied on putin's translator for the understanding of what the conversation was, a basic failure in terms of national security protocol so there was someone who could help him understand what was being said. >> right. obviously the translator issue significant. you heard the reason for that was that donald trump's translator spoke japanese and not russian. richard, why would the white house, if this is something that is just ...