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That he is not able to supply any information in testimony to the house select committee. the house select committee saying, well, you've already given us these documents, why can't we ask you about these? so the real -- from a transparency perspective, the real benefit of this resolution is that we are getting much more detail about what the house select committee thinks mark meadows did and what they know, which is important, as we try to get more clarity on how this all happened, especially when it comes to what was going on in the white house leading up to the riot, laura. >> it's chalk fu...

President trump's taxes. who's going to lose out there? are the democrats going to lose out with voters who say we want tax reform regardless of whether or not it benefits donald trump, or will donald trump ultimately lose out with his voters who say just show your tax returns so the democrats will sign off? >> i think the tax reform -- the tax return issue is somewhat manufactured. it definitely animates the base on the left. i think let so on the right. trump has pointed out he won without showing his tax returns. that's right. from a transparency perspective, obviously we should see them. a...

Now joining me is for our daily fix, chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and founder of "the washington post" fix blog. he's post poeponed it indefinit until some time in january. he says he's going to separate himself from his businesses, not do anymore deals. have his sons in charge. how much more forthcoming does he have to be? he doesn't legally have any obligation here. >> legally speaking, you're right. the president can't have a conflict of interest, andrea, but, there's legal and then there's sort of what it means to be the leader of the country. and the leader of the federal government,...

Opposed to one running in your home. it provides an additional layer of protection from subpoenas under an investigation, civil, administrative, criminal because you have control over that there's not a third party involved others say the benghazi committee could subpoena or another entity. so i they what we're starting to see is this possibly disturbing trend from a transparency perspective of politicians feeling they need an additional layer of control over their information to protect it from the public. >> kasie hunt and alex thank you for joining me. day two of the boston marathon bombi...