As sort of criminal syndicates. where are you on this? >> well, i'm agnostic on how we label them. i think the important thing is an all-of-the-above approach. when you look at from the supply chain to addiction to death in too many cases from fentanyl, it means we need to scale up treatment programs. i've spent time at the talbert house in cincinnati, brigid's path in dayton, all kinds of places where i'll sitting around to -- one man in cincinnati put his hand on his -- on the arm of his maybe 32-year-old daughter and said, "without this treatment facility, talbert house, my daughter would b...