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around the world and keeping the internet free and fair. the big boss of web browser, firefox, tells me how herfoundation is trying to compete with the deep pocketed rivals like google and apple and still have an influence. wherever you'rejoining me from around the world. once again, a big hello and a warm welcome to the show. china — it's the world's second biggest economy. it trails only the united states and is more than four times the size of the next on the list, japan. so what happens there certainly matters. but a year since the government abandoned coronavirus lockdowns, it...

The private sector is the major driving force of the economy. they provide the lion's share of the jobs, which means social stability and national output and innovation. the government knows that. so the government actually goes out and really actively tries to support the private sector. you might you might be sceptical but recently there's been a slew of policies that have come forth, at least changing the attitude towards the private sector. and as you very well know, one of the big problems for china at the moment is debt, in particular in the property market. you've got two very large pro...

What the fiscal commission's designed do. i nake a policy of mine not to sort of get on this table talk. what's on the table, what's off of the table. >> and i don't want do that, but listen three baskets here -- austerity, taxation and game-rigging -- things like auditing the fed, mechanisms in which there are many, where risk is given to the american taxpayer and given on america's future by private businesses and in that case, financial institutions, who then take the money today and give the risk to america tomorrow. >> absolutely. absolutely. so -- so that kind of casino and then the clon...