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Range, 2014, 15, 16. somewhere in there. >> in that role you were kind of the president of the association of people that do trial plaintiffs work, right? >> yes, sir. >> did jury trials, correct? >> well, that -- >> that's part of it, right? >> yes, sir, that's part of it. >> sitting down, looking jurors in the eyes and giving the closing is that right? >> yes. >> and what kind of cases did you normally do? just generally, what subject matter? >> i did all kinds of cases. i did cases that -- i mean, i handled very big cases. you know, i had a lot of cases where, you know, somebody -- the cabl...

0 was doing it and i had that document prepared, handwritten in the neatest handwriting that i could make because a secretary other than mine, a paralegal other than mine was going to be the person who was going to put those -- that financial information into the final document. and that's the document that mark ball talked about that he found on my desk whenever it was that he found it. so that is what was going to be, if necessary, what was going to be used thursday. >> the jury has heard about testimony of you stealing client funds. did you do that? >> i did. >> did you steal or divert that...