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Firsthand accounts of things they've actually witnessed. it can be a reporting of information from secondhand sources. the point is that it has to be brought forward so it can be thoroughly investigated. that is the point of the law. >> that's the thing we have to decipher. this is not a regular court. would it stand up though, danny, when it comes to the whistle-blower and bringing all the elements in that we have secondhand? >> let's start with the word "hearsay." hearsay is a rule of evidence that applies in courtrooms, at trial. even when it does apply to exclude secondhand information, it...

Entered the picture. i ang lthink a lot of people, including my democratic colleagues felt like at that point we had gotten into the foot hills of preposterous. >> it seems like democrats like chris coons are conceding he may have done more harm than good. >> i like the phrase the foot hills of the preposterous is going to end up being a memorable phrase. i do think he's correct that there was a widespread response certainly on the republican side, that these were not incredible allegations. >> avenatti is still standing by his involvement. here is what he told me last week when i pressed him ...

Considerable threat. now as it relates to my client, my client came to me because i am a very good lawyer. and i represent my clients, and i do a very good job as evidenced by the last 18 years of trial practice and the work that i've done for stormy daniels. i've done an exceptional job. everything that i have promised, i have delivered. i have not been found to make one false representation. i've made prediction after prediction that has come true. my client submitted a sworn declaration from the senate judiciary committee. it's not my declaration. it's not my signature. it's her declaration...

Because they see me as a considerable threat. and they should see me as a threat because i am a considerable threat. now as it relates to my client, my client came to me because i am a very good lawyer. and i represent my clients, and i do a very good job as evidenced by the last 18 years of trial practice and the work that i've done for stormy daniels. i've done an exceptional job. everything that i have promised, i have delivered. i have not been found to make one false representation. i've made prediction after prediction that has come true. my client submitted a sworn declaration from the ...

Throw a little miss direction and raise a question whether rick gates is going to testify. he's going to testify, they made that clear today. they are really quick to point out he's not the star witness. they don't need him to make this case. this is a documents case. we have already seen massive amounts of evidence of purchases of luxury goods by paul manafort paid for by bank accounts in cyprus that he never declared on his taxes. his story is going to be that was an accident, that that was incidental. and i can't think -- find any legal experts who has seen a defense like this work. >> mimi...