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>> i think that he thought -- i'm reading into his mind, which i'm not very good at. but i think he thought he could either, one, get away with it, or, two, thought that he was protective of the institution he worked for and may want to work for because it makes no sense objectively, why would you lie when the fbi asks you a question. he had to have some rationale for it. usually i think it's because they think they'll get away with it. >> might be because he thought he was a small fish, you know, in this big pond where there's so many people with much bigger names and much bigger roles that a...

Going on these days that state politics, particularly recall politics, really truly drown out the two national republicans who campaigned there this week. who knew? rick who? you say you're running for president of something? sorry, we're busy. we have other politics we are more focused on. if you ask wisconsinites whether they have been closely following the presidential primary or the recall of governor scott walker in their state, look at the results. it's barely even close. over half the likely voters in the state say they are paying more attention to the recall of the governor than they a...

So if the governor and the lieutenant governor and those senate seats. and nthen in august, that time they'll be voting in a primary for senate and congressional races. and then finally in november, wisconsin voters will get to go to the polls again for the sixth time this year when they go on the same day that the rest of america all votes together in the general election. if you love voting, if you love the ballots and you love the flyers and ads and robo calls and little old ladies that work at the polls, if you love voting very much, and i do not blame you if you do, you may want to consid...

That makes perfect sense. it would be shocking, wouldn't it, if he's seven or eight points up in the state of ohio at this economy, at this stage? >> i think that's right. i think you touched on it. how they go into a state like ohio is going to say a lot about how this campaign unfolds. >> the obama team is really practiced at that. >> they are. >> the gingrich and/or romney team is not. they never had to do that before. >> we got an ad up from rick perry in iowa, where he's spending a lot of money right now. >> rick who? >> rick perry. >> i thought he and herman cain went on vacation. >> no,...