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This group right here that is negotiating. that will tell us where we're going. legislation starts in congress. i think the president may signal he may introduce this immigration package, but i think what we're seeing from this group, you will see signals and whispers and rumors out of the room and that will show us. i think ron could be right. we need to see where folks land as a result of what the president said. >> how much resistance is there on the part of democrats when you know that a lot of their enthusiasm is coming from the base. coming from the left. how much resistance is there to ...

Opportunity to actually get something done on this issue. >> all right, phil mattingly, as you see -- we see senators going into these negotiations behind you. it is really interesting, things happening there on the hill. phil, thank you so much. i want to discuss now with ron bon, the former chief of staff for the senate republican conference and scott mull houser, former deputy campaign chief of staff for vice president joe biden, okay, ron, so when you hear the president say that, what was your reaction to him just, even -- so early on in negotiations, kind of giving that up? >> well, look,...

>> ron, oprah, i'm asking you because i know we both read instyle magazine. so it is not something that interests me, she says, i don't have the dna for it. that is so different than what we heard from steadman and heard from her besty gayle king. >> look, anything can happen, we're such a long ways away, but, i mean, there has been interest in her because she's a -- it signalled to us the democratic party doesn't have a deep bench out there. and so that's why there has been such a -- and she is a superstar billionaire, billionairess. so, look, i think the reality sits into her, like, what doe...

And this might not even be something ultimately that -- it is just -- it has been very slippery and i think we're hearing this from democrats and republicans both who are trying to negotiate with the president. >> look, there have been more twists and turns than the patri patriots game last weekend. i think what we're seeing is a window. the president gave both cover to the far right, right now, and he's giving cover and an opportunity for that -- >> how is he giving cover to the far right? >> what he's done is he's essentially said i'll sign it if it includes docki s daca, inclu dreamers. wha...

Trump is, what kind of support he's seeking and maybe he is realizing he might be seeking somewhat significant contingent of democrats to get on board? >> i do think this is going to be a roller coaster before this is all over in the march 5th deadline will probably likely be extended. no one is on the same page here. senate democrats are signaling a willingness to decouple immigration from budget talks that led to the shutdown, which they -- which was a disaster for them. i think that's a positive thing, but house democrats aren't on the same page. you have senate republicans on one side, hou...