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Withdrawal, that's not enough? >> i think it has to be the beginning of a withdrawal that's significant. the president made that promise. i know he will keep it. he understands that our role in the world has to be defined and specific. we see that in libya. and that we can't engage as we have in the past in these massive troop commitments that go on indefinitely. >> would you put a number on what the withdrawal has to be by july? >> it's hard for me to say that. i don't want to endanger troops that there are. i think what the americans are looking for and the president is looking for is a clea...

>> i think it has to be the beginning of a withdrawal that's significant. the president made that promise. i know he will keep it. he understands that our role in the world has to be defined and specific. we see that in libya. and that we can't engage as we have in the past in these massive troop commitments that go on indefinitely. >> would you put a number on what the withdrawal has to be by july? >> it's hard for me to say that. i don't want to endanger troops that there are. i think what the americans are looking for and the president is looking for is a clear indication we're coming home....

>> so if this is just a -- what might be described as a small or a token withdrawal, that's not enough. >> i think it has to be the beginning of a withdrawal that's significant. the president made that promise. i know he will keep it. he understands that our role in the world has to be defined and specific. we see that in libya. and that we can't engage as we have in the past in these massive troop commitments that go on indefinitely. >> would you put a number on what the withdrawal has to be by july? >> it's hard for me to say that. i don't want to endanger the troops that are there, but i th...

Lockerbie controversy? >> well, you know, i think it will at least in a public sense. i do expect it to come up between the two leaders, of course. david cameron was not in charge when this decision was made about the lockerbie bomber. but it's a point of tension between the two countries. the president is expected to raise the issue. he's also expected, of course, to talk about bp. the giant british company, not because the english government has any control over bp. of course it doesn't. but because this is an issue of great interest to both countries. they'll also talk about afghanistan and...

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