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The airplane for four years and now retired said he's never been down there. >> is that right? >> because there's no real need for us to be down there. there's one circumstance that i would go down there and that's simply after an incident there's a diagram on where to pull a particular circuit breaker like what's being pointed out here. >> if there was a fire on board or smoke, is that part of the procedure to turn circuit breakers off? turn off the in flight system, to turn off the acars? >> it wouldn't be to go down those steps to do it. it would be something that's done in the cockpit. we ...

And that's very important. >> true. and even though i might be a little more intimate with the systems on the airplane, this is not an intimate part of my knowledge. >> as a pilot -- >> this is not a place that i view. a friend of mine after being on the airplane for four years and now retired said he's never been down there. >> is that right? >> because there's no real need for us to be down there. there's one circumstance that i would go down there and that's simply after an incident there's a diagram on where to pull a particular circuit breaker like what's being pointed out here. >> if the...

All right, let's go? >> well, you know, he's right. there is no such thing as too long a runway when you have a situation like this. at some point, and it is usually governed bit amount of fuel and the amount of time you can continue to fly, at some point you have to conclude the troubleshooting process and start surfacing on actually landing the aircraft and making that decision of what is going to happen, you know, is sort of upon you. and reality is that, you know, i don't know which of the landing gear, the nose gear or -- >> let me stop you there. we're hearing that it is the nose gear, b...