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He was directed by volcker and the u.s. ambassador to nato. but he's sort of said maybe it wasn't direction. maybe suggest iing that he and e ukrainian official that he spoke with a few times in august and september that that was just a suggest. to connect with. so this is something that maybe volcker in his testimony, he will be asked to flair fi. maybe he can flair fi this. how has the state department been responding? that he was working on behalf like an emissary. >> last week, a source close to these conversations characterized his characterization as false. mike pompeo has been asked abo...

Rivals. >> jake, you're missing the fundamental point. >> if you want to, if this is their argument, rudy giuliani talked to ukrainian, rudy giuliani the private lawyer of the president said we're going to impeach this president. >> i'm not saying whether -- the. >> i don't think the people are going really? in light of what this president's been able to do leading our country, in light of the economic growth, what he's done with our supreme court justicety, embassy in jerusalem, a host of thing, you really think they're going to go rudy giuliani had a conversation -- i think you came hee and ...

He'll tell reporters if the president doesn't comply with investigatio investigations, congress has no choice but to impeach. at 4:00 p.m., nancy pelosi is leading a mee meeting with her entire caucus. look for that in a couple of minutes, frankly, she'll sit down with with the atlantic's jeffrey bold berg and be asked about impeachment. has she changed her mind? she just told alex moe she'll make an announcement after she meets with her chairman, leadership and caucus. seven national security democrats are now supporting impeachment. in a "washington post" op-ed, they write they are not car...

>> well, everyone is. meaning part of president trump's strategy is to throw this story out and he's in part comfortable with having these allegations made against him because we're talk iing about j biden and this accusation which has been discredited about his son and now joe biden is forced to respond to this question. and so i think the message that biden is try iing the make abou focusing on the president is very hard and the president has once again muddied the water with an accusation against his character that is out there. and many people don't follow the rest of the story. >> ron, re...

Process. >> so here's what he did the script says a group of people want to subvert the constitution i'm going to meet with the special prosecutor to explain this is very unfair and let the special prosecutor cougs move forward with investigating for future elections so that nothing can happen in future elections the president you'll agree was try iing to force the investigation to focus only on the future so it didn't focus on him. is that right? >> i don't adwrgree >> when you look in the future and you're not allowed to look at the one investigation into the president, that's not how you in...