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>> i read the war head, explosives detected ton united states aircraft to riddle it with shrapnel. this plenty never had a chance, did it? >> anyone who is in a commercial airliner i would say probably did not have have a chance against. this again, this something that i trained against the sa-11. upgraded version of the sa-6. what i was trained to do in my cockpit is there is information coming in that tells me if a radar is painting me. information telling me if a radar is actually tracking me i'm going to try to break that radar lock. there is defensive maneuvers can i do. can i do last dit...

Improved of the sa-6 and that is what gave the israeli fits in the 1980's. it is a track launcher. it has a wrack of four missiles. it moves at mock three so there is no way the pilots saw the missile coming at them and it has a 170-pound war head. most russian missiles have huge war heads and the blast effect of that would have broken the airplane apart in flight and completely destroyed the airplane the moment that the detonation went off. the course for the american version of this as a patriot the basic course for that is 26 weeks. >> 26 weeks of training?

The vice president could say with certainty that it was a missile that destroyed the plane. we probably know exactly where it came from. it will be interesting to see when we decide to announce where it came from. i think we already know. >> what kind of missile would this have had to be, colonel? it was 33,000 feet in the air. what kind of missile is capable of taking the plane down? >> most people have in mind shoulder-fired weapon we see from time to time on the battlefield. this was almost undoubtedly an improved sa-6 or sa-11 of the type you see on screen. it has a slant range of 72,000 f...

Going to seriously complicate the matter to the point where who knows where it could end up? there will abe great deal of political pressure for the united states to respond outside of just a normal investigation. kristen welker, thank you for your time tonight at the white house. >> thank you. >> we want to bring in now former assistant secretary of defense lawrence corb, with me here in washington and colonel jack jacobs, msnbc medal of honor recipient, if the russians are involved in this, if their hands are on this in any way, shape or form, what does it mean? >> their hands have got to be...

>> and colonel schaeffer doesn't 114 tomahawk missiles in the face of 12 hours apply to what you're saying, do it fast and quick. >> that's the opening salvo, first off, that was necessary. they have probably about 50 sa-6 missiles, 50 launchers plus missiles, which is what we faced in bosnia. and so that, i think we had to take that out to help the allies. with that said we flew over 100,000, 100,000 sorties during the bosnia conflict. so, the question is, and you know, gas is more expensive now than then. how much can we afford, we've had the military action, get to it, get it done and try t...