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Where a judge said, yes, the parents of this young shooter in oxford, michigan, this school shooter can stand trial for what their child did because they the w3weapon, encouraged the weapon, didn't listen to school we may see that here. the investigation, of course, is going to jump to the guns and who allowed this to happen. >> i mean, the tragic reality of this mayt( be what donnell said frank, which is that unlike what we saw at uvalde or marjorie stoneman douglas, one of the stonaidh the las, one of the briefing was that these officers who responded and responded verq quickly ran toward th...

With president trump over the years, is that a potential serious risk for the president in terms of the president's own legal liability? >> yes. >> that has to be the scariest moment that donald trump has had on tv this year. >> lawrence, i've been saying this for two, two and a half months. i predicted this. people say how could you predict this? how did you know? this isn't difficult if you have experience in this game and seen other cases. this case even though it involves large and important figures in other life is no different than other white collar prosecutions. what's astounding to me...

To what happened. >> we were expecting a show man, a show. th. feels like they went into the room, we don't know what was said in that room, on the call between trump and the president of south korea. there we don't know what was said. we got this big show. kim got a big show. i don't know who benefitted from it more. i am interested if the president was surprised by the -- >> have we heard from north koan state news? >> they're super happy about this. saw papers with full, colorful pictures of the president walking with kim jong-un. a lot of talk abo what the s. gave up, not a lot of talk fro...

Intercontinental development system and at a minimum and not kplunicay and we are talking about the same thing and the only thing we got is a proims for more promises and we've been down that road before. >> and to play devil's advocate, we've had several decades of presidents tto achieve denuclearization in north korea and several decades of failure. now president trump is forced to deal with this. is it not worth a hail mary pass? is it not worth a gamble given the fact that now we're talk abo -- we're talking about a end game and north korea with a nuclear icbm which is some of previous pre...

Time. and maybe he's taking that to mean the president is going to want to be arms length. but at the same time you've got the president sending completely different signals that he can pardon anybody he wants. he can pardon himself. there's no limit to theischief he commit with the pardon. but i think it's a sign of desperation on manafort's part. >> i am guessing with some knowledge you did better than average in law school, went on to be a federal prosecutor among your other job titles. talk abo self-pardoning vis-á-vis our discussion in the last segment, it really would place one person a...