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>> you could put a mattress. >> there's always a way over it. their point is if you do it the right way, it is a deterrent. >> i don't disagree with that. i think that's right. >> that's fine. but, look, el chapo, i think bakari sellers was talking about a different drug kingpin, but el chapo is on trial. he was the tunnel man. hi to go into a couple of those damn tunnels. it's terrible because he's a small dude. one of them was under his bathtub in -- >> i'm talking about there are tunnels there that are air-conditioned. >> some of them they have for major trafficking, but he had all of these...

Enough that will stop a ladder from getting there, although getting down the other side will take some coordination. and you can always dig under it. but their point is -- >> you could put a mattress. >> there's always a way over it. their point is if you do it the right way, it is a deterrent. >> i don't disagree with that. i think that's right. >> that's fine. but, look, el chapo, i think bakari sellers was talking about a different drug kingpin, but el chapo is on trial. he was the tunnel man. hi to go into a couple of those damn tunnels. it's terrible because he's a small dude. one of them...