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>> i think that is a risk and i think -- when i think about 2016, it was such a small margin and, basically, every single reason you could list out as to why the outcome was what it is, is correct. right? part of that was the turn out of young millennials of color. i think i can sort of telegraph that joe biden may have some of those same challenges because of the crime bill and other pieces of legislation he supported over the years. and, also, the fact that he hasn't adequately defended those positions and said what he is going to do to rectify some of those negative consequences. and i thin...

Republicans. you come to the algorithmic data modeling that's become so big a part of modern campaigns but the democrats have gotten the turnout piece down to, you know, not just an art form but a science and i just don't think that strategy is effective and it's going to make a difference for him if, in fact, that's what they're trying to do. >> okay. steve, but when you talk about algorithmic data and when you talk about we've never seen a candidate like this, do you have a blind spot in terms of donald trump is a candidate who lives outside the rules. this is someone like we've never seen b...