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Both in terms of the governor's race and legislative turnouts, i am thinking about black turnout and black democratic turnout has been the answer to everything in terms of democratic competitiveness in states like virginia and others. white voters in the suburbs turning out to be swing voters, but black voters and enthusiasm is as much of the story as anything. do we have anything to watch for, and do you agree that is a key metric? >> virginia is about 18 to 20% black. the closer to 20, the better news for democrats. the more it drops off, if purr

Voters. some of them aren't voting because their disillusioned but that's different than attracting a big percentage of biden voters. this -- these are republican issues and youngkin is attracting republican turnouts that are very large compared to what we seen in other governor's races. >> well, we will know tomorrow night about this time, maybe. close to this time. we'll know something by the end of the night. i enjoy having this conversation with you guys. thank you very much. i'll see you soon. probably tomorrow. >> kick it. >> kick it. we got a lot more on tomorrow's elections. it's not...

Thinking about what viewers at home are seeing, we've all become sort of like junior steve kornackis. we've all become amateur election data counters. you know, in the rural areas, they'll be can counting the absentees. we have all outthought our way through looking at some of this data, i think. >> yeah. look, i just -- i think that's exactly right. and the thing about these nights, you know when you're on a campaign, you're always calling the press to find out what the early exits say. and when you're sitting at these sets, you're calling the campaign to see what their turnouts say. obviousl...

And starting with the governor's race. jeff zeleny is at the head quart quarters of terry mcauliffe. it is a tight race, and what are they feeling down, there and what are the campaign aides saying about the turnouts in the all-important northern virginia? >> jake, it sais an absolutely tight race, and mcauliffe is using the final hours to text voters and door knocks to some 60,000 voters today. and one thing, they are looking at those who supported joe biden a year ago and this year decided not to vote at all because of lack of enthusiasm or simply they do not support terry mcauliffe. they ar...

You say all this is where all the momentum is. i think you're agreeing with mark with this, right? >> yeah, i'm agreeing. except that we need to define parents better. republican parents. republican-leaning independent parents. it's a matter of maximizing their turnout. he's not winning many biden voters. some of them aren't voting because they're disillusioned about biden and disillusioned about the congressional democrats. but that's different than attracting a big percentage of biden voters. these are republican issues and youngkin is attracting republican turnouts that are very large compa...