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Because he's a tv guy. he's got a big personality. i mean, what about that part of the argument, carol? >> but he has got to talk one-on-one. there is going to be one person that is going to be asking him questions. in my debate in '92, bill clinton showed president bush up terribly. because when a young woman asked a question, he just stood back near his chair and he didn't really answer the question. and bill clinton walked right up to that woman, arms' length, and told her in the most human terms of how he understood what she was going through. i don't think donald trump is capable of that....

It will destroy your career. i was there in real-time when this was happening. it will destroy your reputation. it will destroy your career. you'll make a fool of yourself. you're not a tv guy. you know what donald trump did? he was one of the most powerful agent around. he fired him. he did the tv show. donald trump has done this his entire life. and every single time he's ridi. >> consistent with that thinking, we've talked on this show you and mika have a lot, if he becomes the nominee, can he reach outside of the pool of supporters that he has now and draw from independents and moderates e...

Eboni, i think when groups demand, like petition somebody, it actually helps that person. it only fuels the rise. like if you say trump should be on, people want him to be on. >> of course. especially somebody like trump. he's a natural-born contrarian. this is a guy that the more you push him back, the more that just gives him all the energy boost he's going to have moving forward. look, politically savvy minds say this is bad for trump. he should be being a serious candidate. i think that is just ridiculous. this is where he's his best. he's an entertainer, a tv guy. he's best in his element...

Eboni, i think when groups demand, like petition somebody, it actually helps that person. it only fuels the rise. like if you say trump should be on, people want him to be on. >> of course. especially somebody like trump. he's a natural-born contrarian. this is a guy that the more you push him back, the more that just gives him all the energy boost he's going to have moving forward. look, politically savvy minds say this is bad for trump. he should be being a serious candidate. i think that is just ridiculous. this is where he's his best. he's an entertainer, a tv guy. he's best in his element...

If you ask trump to look up a bit, he says no or he just doesn't do it. he literally has one angle. if i ask him to smile, he puts on a big grin and goes back to his zoolander blue steel look. really he's far from a natural, because it seems that his every move is really orchestrated. >> it's orchestrated and clearly he's a tv guy. this dueling banjos thing he had in new hampshire, isn't that brilliant counter programming. like he knew bush was going to be there, so that's why he showed up. donald trump knows how to be good on television, donald trump knows how to engage a crowd, he knows how ...