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>> it's interesting to say that. the president does communicate in this tv medium. he was a reality television star before ending up in the white house and many ways i think i can say as a white house correspondent that that influences the way he runs his white house and how he deals with the press, as well. >> do democrats need to do that, jeff? >> well, i mean, listen. that doesn't change the political calculation unless there's not only a change there and a change for republicans. i'm not sure that tv is going to change the minds of republicans in the senate who do not want to see their pre...

Evidence of collusion that democrats, in particular, have been searching for. you are seeing multiple narrative play out. republicans say there's nothing there. democrats say there's more to investigation. >> we have a democrat coming up to speak to. thank you both for coming on. tonight, sheldon whitehouse joins us. thank you for coming on, senator. >> my pleasure. >> immaterial to start with rand paul and his tweet saying obama officials should be investigated, too. what do you say to your fellow senator? >> well, i'll keep this public. i don't want to address the fellow senator through the ...

Court. they're very leary of changing the way they do things. >> i know. sad face. >> it's such an interesting point, pete, as well because it goes to the difference between a model of transparency and medium. all of the words are available to the public but we're seeing in a tv era, all people wanting a tv medium. nobody expects that to happen soon. thank you both for joining us. >> do they still give quill pens to people who argue? >> absolutely. >> that tells you what era the supreme court is in. >> absolutely. and we are still waiting on two big gay marriage decisions from the court, but o...

Military, the national assembly, the judiciary. he had a lot of money and a lot of power. what we can see is an economy in shambles that will require very unpopular decisions. >> rory, why is it though that chavez was undeniably popular? >> because he's a political genius. the man was extraordinary. i don't think we'll see his like again. this mystical power he had and his ability to use the tv medium, he created a teflon coated presidency. it didn't matter that crime rates exploded. it didn't matter politically that caracas has higher murder rates than baghdad. he was able to detach himself f...