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Is a huge conspiracy by rudy himself? he wouldn't have thought of it on his own. so i think this is a rough day for the republicans. >> actually, i think we have garrett haake up on capitol hill in the blast radius this morning. >> well, nicole, here's what you'll hear in the next 45 minutes. sondland said he was ordered to work with rudy giuliani and he made a point of saying he never talked to the president linking the aid to the investigation. i think you will see republicans hammer that point home and while sondland was very casual, almost nonchalant saying of course it was a quid pro quo,...

Burisma and 2016 elections were conditioned on the white house meeting. the aid was my own personal, you know, guess, based on your analogy two plus two equals four. >> so you didn't talk to president trump when ambassador taylor says that that's what you told him? is that your testimony here? >> my testimony is i never heard from president trump that aid was conditioned on an announcement of elections. >> so you never heard those specific words? >> correct. >> right? >> never heard those words. >> well, let's move ahead because you have another conversation in a little bit later that both tim...

It's the reference to mulvaney that i want to ask you about.'s you've testified that mulvaney was aware of this quid pro quo, of this condition that thes ukrainiansit had to meet, that , announcing these public investigations to get the white house meeting, is that right? >> yeah, a lot of people were aware of eait. >> including mr. mulvaney? >> correct. i >> and including the secretary of state? >> correct. >> now, have you seen the acting chief of staff's press conference in which he acknowledged that the military aid was withheld in part because of a desire to get that 2016 investigation yo...

On the part of it that relates to military assistance, though, you don't have any direct evidence from president trump about that part of it, that's your two plus two part of the equation, right? >> right. >> correct? >> that's correct. >> all right. and you understand also that others disagree. yesterday we heard from mr. morrison, ambassador volker, they testified that they didn't see a quid pro quo, do you understand that. >> i understand that. that's what they said. >> that reasonable people could look at all of this and come to different conclusions. correct? >> correct. >> i yield back. ...

>> i think i referenced -- i didn't say ukraine had to do the investigations. i think i said we heard from mr. giuliani that that was the case. >> so that helped inform your presumption, correct? >> correct. >> so that wasn't really a presumption, you heard it from mr. giuliani. >> not about the aid. i heard about the burisma 2016. >> and as we discussed, two plus two equals four, the aid was there as well? >> that was the problem, mr. goldman. no one told me directly that the aid was tied to anything. i was presuming it was. >> right. well, i want to go ahead to -- i want to go back on septem...