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And ty cobb, he was the lawyer in the investigation. two who know more about this than anyone. professor, let me start with you on this reporting about messages wiped from key department of defense officials phones from january 6th. is it possible that this is a random coincidence? >> no. i mean, i suppose anything is possible. it's possible that all of the air will get sucked out of the room, but when you look at what happened with the secret service and with the department of homeland security and now with the department of defense with keogh figures alls appointed by donald trump, it looks ...

I won't go into the details. it's called the neutrality act. it was written in 1794 by george washington, preventing people from going to france to fight for the french. it was updated in the late 1800s and 1930s. it basically says it's a u.s. code provision that says the u.s. government, not individual americans, decide foreign policy. so when you have individuals going to fight for another country, putting themselves in harm's way, whereas it may seem extremely admirable, if they're taken prisoners, if they are captured like these three young men have been, it causes some very challenging is...

Violated to federal criminal statutes. that is liz cheney saying that. -- federal judge. rolling president trump and his -- john eastman, likely violated to federal laws. when they pressured mike pence the way that they did. and what she specifically describing, you could check in on the judges ruling, are these two federal statutes. 18 u.s. coats, section 15 12 c, at 18 u.s. code section 371. in plain english that is obstruction of a official proceeding, and it's conspiracy to defraud the. united states and you know, there's been all this talk in the last, i hate people in the media doing med...

Rulling president trump and his -- john eastman, likely violated to federal laws. when they pressured mike pence the way that they did. and what she specifically describing, you could check in on the judges ruling, are these two federal statutes. 18 u.s. coats, section 15 12 c, at 18 u.s. code section 371. in plain english that is obstruction of a official proceeding, and it's conspiracy to defraud the. united states, and you know, there's been all this talk in the last, i hate people in the media doing media criticism but im just gonna say this because i feel like this is an issue that kind o...

Was getting at in this little part of her intro there, in this specific part of it. >> president trump's relentless effort on january 6th and in the days beforehand to pressure vice president pence to refuse to count lawful, electoral votes. as a federal judge has indicated, this likely violated two federal criminal statutes. >> trump's effort on january 6th to pressure vice president pence he should refuse to count the votes likely violated two statutes. per a ruling, likely violated two federal laws when they pressured mike pence the way that they did. and what she specifically describing, y...