And get rid of the nuclear grade material, it is worth doing it. but leaving that aside, i think dana has a good point and the iranians should take advantage of that with the pastor. this other one, i'm not so sure -- >> you know one of the oldest -- it goes right by the book, don't negotiate with terrorists or kidnappers, you are negotiating with kidnapping terrorists. >> reagan negotiated with weapons and birthday cake and i think he thought there was an opportunity. and if there is an opportunity here, we ought to take it. >> well speaking of no opportunities. north korea, eric, kim jung un...