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>> absolutely right. >> that does feel to me amy, like a meaningful -- >> he said 2011. the statute wasn't passed in 2011. show me one person when the law was pending, we were looking at it that said that. >> it reminds me when you're teaching english and you say how a word can mean two different things. we have the states of the united states. that is the state. but you also have the government, the federal government. we also refer to that as the state. but, you know ultimately i think this is the biggest argument for medicare for all. so that you can't have loopholes and you can't argue ove...

Know choose your words here. and we can just play around with semantics. people will die as a result of not having health care. but again, i think the answer is not ultimately aca. i think everyone has to have health care. >> i think it's so interesting. bobby jindal actually called me a fake conservative in politico and a few other people republican health reformers, because he's making this argument that we should actually -- it's a good thing to disrupt health coverage for the people who have gotten it through the law, which makes absolutely no sense to most of us, even on the right, to tal...

Subsidize health care because otherwise things unravel. look at the congressional budget office, which actually scored it under certain assumptions and no one thought that some of the states could opt out of the system with this kind of penalty. look at the -- look at all the journalists who were covering it in realtime. this didn't sneak by us una wears. thees ezra kleins of the world. no one said this. they all said -- >> but we're not looking at intent of the founders in other words, we're looking at intent of contemporary living sometimes still serving members of congress. >> and not just ...

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Relationship. they have clashed over a number of issues not only iran but the middle east peace process. you recall that awkward meeting that the two leaders had back in may when it appeared that netanyahu was lecturing president obama. still, i've been talking to foreign policy experts who tell me that this moment marks a new low in this relationship. some even believe there's no way out under these two leaders, that it will take a new president or new prime minister to resolve this. here's the bottom line. israel is a key ally to the united states. the u.s. needs israel particularly as it co...