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Conviction and that process is still going on. but undoubtly, the president had complete authority to do this, so this falls in the category of what you've just been talking about. a political pardons. rather than the normal pattern of following the advice of the office of pardon, attorney at the justice department. nothing can be done about this. it's the president's complete authority to do it. there's no undoing it. it's simple that's that. >> pete, i want you to stay with us for a second. i believe we have richard painter, who served under george w. bush in the ethics department particular...

The american diplomatic community in general, republican or democrat, they're very concerned about this impact. is it as catastrophic globally? >> it is in ceding american leadership, undermining the idea that when the united states signs on the dotted line, that it means something. american diplomats are general winly horrified. and former officials of all parties, even not diplomats are horrified. in terms its practical effect, what will it mean about how the united states conducts business, probably a good deal less than some of the hair tearing that we're seeing now. but it's real. the sen...

And trump is all for it. >> given the number of states including our country's largest state, california, who wants to enact policies as best neck abides by the accord. and essentially realize, they have to do business around the world so they'll abide by a global set of rules. is it possible that while the united states government is not signing on to it, there are enough entities in the united states, that we hit some of the goals? or we make progress simultaneously with the paris accord? does our lack of presence in it give carte blanche? >> yes, we will continue to make progress and the pr...

Has something he wants to contribute. >> interestingly enough, ann, i would say he is the most accessible senior states man in the democratic party. i say this in that barack obama, he's the ex-president. you can't have him as the party leader. hillary clinton polarizes the democratic party let alone the country. i noted that in the conversation sparked by her. biden seems to be the one figure in the party that does have this cross-appeal. >> yeah. he has had that for a while and has used it, right? uncle joe, grandpa joe persona, which he tried to use on clinton's behalf. even as you could te...

And we are tried and true in the blah what a privilege is and what it means. if privileges exist, they can be waived. but in some cases, very difficult to waive them. a president saying what that statement was doesn't waive executive privilege to. waive it, a president would have to say, i, a, think this would be covered because it was a conversation about my deliberative process, and b, i hereby allow to it happen. and it has happened. i gave you jefferson. jefferson gave his letters up to the trial but did not testify. in the clinton years, when he was trying to invoke privilege to prevent a...