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Where were the security people at the state department saying, madam secretary, you have to have a secure server over here? you can have something off to the left like colin powell did. but at this point to suggest the secretary of state, as much as she was around, didn't think about the possibility of hacking just astonishes me. and i think it takes away from her big argument, i've been there, done that, i know what i'm doing. >> and now doris, i'm not going to put them up for now, people can get on the the website, she has an electability problem. joe biden is running stronger against trump ...

Better? enough to put this issue to bed? >> a political matter, the effect of all of this has been that a substantial percentage of the country when they hear the name hillary clinton, they respond with liar, dishonest, not trustworthy at a level such to render her unelectable. the driving demand inside the democratic primary eraelectorat alternate choice. you have a socialist from vermont beating her in new hampshire, competitive with her in iowa and driving demand for the incumbent vice president, who's a great politician, to get in the race. then you have the secondary issue, which is the h...

Durcht than, say, it is in arizona. it's not the sort of clear-cut open hostility in immigration that you see in other states. >> it certainly is different. let's turn over to the democratic side. chris cillizza. a lot of speculation growing about joe buddhen's plans because of his meeting this weekend with elizabeth warren trying to get the progressive part of the party perhaps behind him. alcorn said that, look, we can have a conversation about ideas and people know joe biden, they like joe biden. i pressed him a little bit on could he exploit the e-mail situation with hillary clinton to try...

Few miles away, he's getting all the attention. this is going to be in the news for the next few days. this is the headline, trump and bush have competing rallies. so trump is doing this in a calculated way to get all the attention and to take the air out of the tires of jeb bush. even though the air might not be so inflated at the moment, he's taking it for the long run, for the primaries for months from now, it's a long time. chris? >> i love your metaphors there. ron, it seems to me, that the shot at bush was right almost to his solar plex us, if not to his groin. he's unelectable. that is ...

So trump is doing this in a calculated way to get all the attention and to take the air out of the tires of jeb bush. even though the air might not be so inflated at the moment, he's taking it for the long run, for the primaries for months from now, it's a long time. chris? >> i love your metaphors there. ron, it seems to me, that the shot at bush was right almost to his solar plex us, if not to his groin. he's unelectable. that is the one thing bush has been selling, that he's electable. it seems to me, he's very focused -- i think he's trying to win this nomination fight now. what do you thi...