durcht than, say, it is in arizona. it's not the sort of clear-cut open hostility in immigration that you see in other states. >> it certainly is different. let's turn over to the democratic side. chris cillizza. a lot of speculation growing about joe buddhen's plans because of his meeting this weekend with elizabeth warren trying to get the progressive part of the party perhaps behind him. alcorn said that, look, we can have a conversation about ideas and people know joe biden, they like joe biden. i pressed him a little bit on could he exploit the e-mail situation with hillary clinton to try to forge that con trachlkt didn't want to get into the specifics on that, but could biden win the campaign unless he wins early on? it seems he has to unless he finds hillary clinton as unelectable. >> i'll take it a step further.