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Of america and unemployment rate of 1/2 a% and they want us to pay. >> and i guess-- >> does that surprise you, shouldn't they be paying? >> after one helps liberate a country, should they help build schools there? again, i think in what, in the bigger picture, not just looking at little things, but looking at in the bigger picture of how we support libya, how we support democracy in this region and us wanting to make sure that we're helping and that we're a part of this rebuilding of democracy, or building of democracy, i think is critical. >> why should we-- >> we pay. >> we be paying when t...

Countries that come on line. >> isn't it better for workers in our economy, if there's unions over there so people aren't flocking for 2 cents or whatever-- >> there have been plenty of nonunion manufacturing jobs in this country by foreign auto worker, guess who the union wants to unionized, toyota, honda and sending activists overseas to stage rallies trying to curry favor with the companies in their home countries. >> i'm a free market person, but you can't deny the fact that jobs are going overseas for lower wages, am i right? am i missing something? i'm not saying that's the solution. >> ...

Part of rebuilding libya, i don't see why we're always looking at, you know, passing off the buck or the blame on-- >> we don't have any, because we have a deficit and they don't. >> and we're going to help. >> brenda: gary b. >> i like standing by my word and glad that my president wants to help expand democracy and help. >> brenda: gary b. >> this is so rich. i would be willing to bet a zillion dollars, malia's view would be 180 degrees different if it was the exact situation, but president bush was in office. she'd say we need to leave, how can we have this war. >> and building if president...

Us? charlie? >> well, i mean, simple math. you can raise rates, wages over there, would that be bad for us? maybe some jobs will stay here. >> neil: and charles, what do you make-- >> my knee jerk reaction was to say something negative about trumka, can't stand it, isn't that logical? substance, i was being substantive i should say. >> neil: charles payne? >> this is outrageous, and by the way, richard trumka needs to know there's tremendous growth outside of western, highly unionized countries, okay? the growth out in this world 9.7% last month in china. how about india? what about brazil? wh...

A u.s. labor leader has to say about what's going on in other country makes no difference. charles, this cause and effect, china is coming on because they don't have unions, that's a little silly. china is coming on because they've been nothing, down for 300 years and they're an autocratic regime that's now doing good things with its economy and nothing to do with unionization. >> no, no, but it has a lot to do with no unions and embracing capital and people in china believe more capitalism than the people in america and certainly the people in the democratic party. >> one last point, dagen, t...