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One is the stakes of the debt ceiling. not after an elect, the republicans won as in 2011 which arguably they had taken back the house, had some sort of mandate. but one they just lost, right? do you think essentially that all of this hyperbole as you see it, the debt ceiling is essentially posturing that will go away when a deal gets struck? >> i think something need to happen for a deal to get struck. just like a union standoff. just like a strike. somebody has to come in and solve the strike. yes, i do believe that it will be solved. it is almost beyond comprehension to believe that, anyone...

All of this hyperbole as you see it, the debt ceiling is essentially posturing that will go away when a deal gets struck? >> i think something need to happen for a deal to get struck. just like a union standoff. just like a strike. somebody has to come in and solve the strike. yes, i do believe that it will be solved. it is almost beyond comprehension to believe that, anyone who serves the united states of america would willingly allow it, to default on its debt. even if they say so. >> right. okay. the reason that i got very excited about that. jonathan, i would have said the same thing a mon...

>> martha: those folks have been through a lot. how about this, this union standoff in wisconsin coming to a head in an unbelievable way, people literally climbing through the windows to protest. so the senate republicans did pass that controversial bill in a surprise vote last night. coming up we're going to ask karl rove to weigh in on what has now become undoubtedly the hottest national issue. bill: back to square one, the senate down to voting on two spending bills. only eight days left until the government runs out of money. congress ron paul tells us what he would cut in a few moments....

Karzai said in a statement, quite, civilian casualties during military operations by coalition forces is the main reason for tension in relations between afghanistan and the united states. it is not acceptable for the afghan people anymore. end quote. now gates said today that both the u.s. and afghan governments agree that the u.s. military should remain in the country after the planned 2014 end of combat operations to help train and advise afghan forces. hold on, not so fast. a wisconsin state senator is denying a report that democrats are ready to come out of exile and end their nearly th...