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Plane and the 239 people on it. search aircraft headed for the open ocean. we go live in perth right now, australia. that's a home base for the search. do we know if the planes are in the search area yet? and will you hear an update from them when they're on mission, so to speak? >> yeah. we're not getting those types of details. but if you do the math, from what we've seen over the last several days, we do know that some of the planes are there. i can definitely tell you the u.s. navy's p-8 poseidon took off a short time ago. that's when it was scheduled to. this is america's -- one of americ...

You can still survive where as you cannot survive at a much higher altitude. here is the big mystery, don. no may day call. why is that? was it too critical the moment where the pilots were doing so many other things or some other reason a question we don't have the answer to right now. any official word? will the officials make a comment in the drop in altitude that this plane took? do we know anything about that? >> nothing official right now on this. this is coming from a source that cnn has spoken to, that has close ties to this investigation. but we know that efforts are focusing on this ...

Added. human endeavor and perseverance. right at the beginning, i said, they'll keep going at this, and they will keep going until they find more evidence of where this plane is. they may have to stop for the winter, for the bad weather. they may have to take a break to regroup. they may have to reanalyze everything. but they will not just certainly switch -- switch off the lights, we think we know where it was. let's leave -- >> very, very optimistic sounding. but in the end, i look at this space, i look at the area and i look at how much we don't know, colonel kay. and i wonder if all eyes a...

Coming up, the black box, which is going to be critical in helping out the investigation if a debris field is found. >> another question for you, we have you here, what can you tell us about today's search? >> right now, the p-8 and p-3 are actually probably arrived on station now. on station for three to four hours. but as of now, there has been no reports of any finding of anything from the debris field. >> if the u.s. were leading this investigation with the ocean search be drastically different? >> no, i think there is a certain protocol to follow and what they need to do, which is, again,...

From the u.s., new zealand, australia, and china. in total eight. >> is that because as karen mcginnis is reporting, it's sort of a sandwich of bad weather, a good piece, another bad chunk? are they trying to make the most of it? >> i'm certain that's part of it. i think the assets are now there. remember, the u.s. p-8 didn't fly for the last two days because of crew rest and mechanical reasons. so now you've got the u.s. p-8, the poseidon, back into the air. you've got two civilian aircraft in the air. you've got the australians. you've got the new zealand. and those chinese planes which arri...