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>> well, i think -- i think that's the difference, what you just said. he has built up goodwill. donald trump couldn't build up good will in a mongol horde. certainly biden's leading the polls has been durable. it's outlasted all of these so far. again, it's -- again, it's august of 2015. and who knows what will happen. but i would be wary if i were the people running his campaign of giving him unguarded moments, because he's proven he doesn't know what to do with them. >> natalia? >> yeah, have i some theories around that. i think name recognition is a big deal. let's not underestimate that. ...

>> well, i think -- i think that's the difference, what you just said. he has built up goodwill. dump doesn't know how donald trump couldn't build up goodwill in a horde let alone good human beings. you may be right. certainly biden's leading the polls has been durable. it's outlasted all of these so far. again, it's -- again, it's august of 2015. and who knows what will happen. but i would be wary if i were the people running his campaign of giving him unguarded moments, because he's proven he doesn't know what to do with them. >> natalia? >> yeah, have i some theories around that. i think na...