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And they don't know ben gayzara at all. we are not a culture that deals in consequences anymore. it's not like we look at things and go that's not right. we have got to flatten the perpetrators of that isn't right. you look at barack obama with the sequester thing. it always makes me laugh when he brings up sequestration and talks about how the evil republicans are fisting it on the people. and then you want to say it was your idea. you came up with it. but it falls on deaf ears. nobody holds anybody accountable anymore. the press isn't going to go after this story, bill. a lot of people in th...

>> bill: why do you think most americans aren't locked in on this story in it is life and death. ambassador stevens a good man. he did ask for more protection. it was not granted. the murder did take place along with three other americans. than then the government mislead the world about the motive who did it. there is a lot of ingredients here. people aren't locked in. is there a reason? >> the reason that people don't know benghazi from ben gazara and they don't know ben gayzara at all. we are not a culture that deals in consequences anymore. it's not like we look at things and go that's not...

>> bill: why do you think most americans aren't locked in on this story in it is life and death. ambassador stevens a good man. he did ask for more protection. it was not granted. the murder did take place along with three other americans. than then the government mislead the world about the motive who did it. there is a lot of ingredients here. people aren't locked in. is there a reason? >> the reason that people don't know benghazi from ben gazara and they don't know ben gayzara at all. we are not a culture that deals in consequences anymore. it's not like we look at things and go that's not...

Couldn't sell the popcorn and coke to that. that was entertaining. >> sean: sometimes i've learned over the years and probably would have been more aggressive and gave him the rope and said, go, here you go, rant away. >> you were pretty mild. >> sean: well, the thing-- look, to me, we're stealing from our kids and i'm trying to get-- he won't even acknowledge obama gave us 6 trillion dollars in debt and obama supporters, what is wrong with them. they can't acknowledge basic simple truths. >> well, sean, it's the logic behind the sequestration is that if your son asks you for -- hey, if you're...

Of congress to find a resolution to sequestration, rather than using, you know, releasing illegal immigrants on the streets and the scare tactic. i think that's precisely what they're doing here, they're playing politics with it and it's a dangerous form of politics that puts american politics at risk. >> and joining me form new york city mayor, rudy guiliani. i don't care what anybody says, this is now a design to inflict maximum pain on the american people to show those republicans are just, these are draconian cuts, right or wrong. >> absolutely right. the cuts are modest, they're small, th...