15 years. all of our children go to christian schools. today, i sent my kids to a charter school on the upper westside, in harlem for 15 years of our life. in essence what i'm telling you, i know these people. i lived in the neighborhood with this community. i actually think you drew a very, very insightful parallel, rachel. at a time when most of the world is spending a season in worship this is the time when they choose to worship in particular, what has become a religion, it truly become a cult of religion. beyond that. it is beyond science. i don't know safety. it is clearly now in the rea...