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Strength among people. i've seen it here, i've seen it in countless places across the world. either point i'll make is it hurts. i shed a lot of tears today quietly as i was at the train station talking to families, and talking to that mom with her newborn. it makes you feel like you're okay, because you're still a human being first before a journalist, and that's important to me. >> lester holt, thank you for being there and thank you for joining us tonight. with that, let's bring in our experts, admiral james stavridis, and the former head of the u.s. southern command and former supreme alli...

Journalist, and that's important. >> lester holt, thank you for being there and thank you for joining us tonight. with that, let's bring in our experts, admiral james, and the former head of the u.s. southern command and former supreme allied commander of nato, i'm -- michael allen. -- select committee on intelligence. he also served a senior director at the national security council under president george w. bush. admiral, despite ukrainians begging for a no-fly zone, the u.s. and nato insist it is off the table, because it could start a much, much bigger war. can you explain this to us? >> i...

He would consider a no-fly zone to be participation in a conflict. that would mean, nato versus russia. with us tonight to discuss, he's a 30 year navy iterant who retired with four stars on his shoulders. he's the former head of the u.s. southern command and former supreme allied commander of nato. his new book is 2034. a novel of the next world war. now on paperback. admiral, i'm so glad you are with us, because it's frustrating. you walk in line to get coffee and you hear people saying, don't we care? why don't we just go with the no-fly zone? can you explain for us would have tons if a no-...

He would consider a no-fly zone to be participation in a conflict. that would mean, nato versus russia. with us tonight to discuss, he's a 30 year navy iterant who retired with four stars on his shoulders. he's the former head of the u. s. southern command and former supreme allied commander of nato. his new book is 2034. a novel of the next world war. now on paperback. admiral, i'm so glad you are with us, because it's frustrating. you walk in line to get coffee and you hear people saying, don't we care? why don't we just go with the no-fly zone? can you explain for us would have tons if a no...

Military has inflicted heavy losses on the russian military. >> cal, when you were talking to ukrainians, any sense of what they want to see coming out of the summit? >> yeah. they want to no fly zone. they want to no-fly zone put in by nato. that's not realistic. obviously, nadler said they are not going to be doing that. they are worried that will only widen the conflict. but when you talk to people here every day, they say they want to no-fly zone, especially in the east. that is where russian just seemed to be carrying out air strikes. the situation over kyiv is still up in the air. the ru...