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Yesterday another inspector general report came out on the whole i.t. problem protecting veterans personal and private information to make sure identity theft doesn't sweep away what they have. there are systemic issues that exceed these health issues. when you have debts of our finest americans that answered the call, this is inexcusable and unacceptable and the american people i believe stand with us in saying it step one has to be the removal of this leadership and bring people in potentially even from the outside that can fix the largest hospital network that we deal with in this country. ...

Was watch cnn. what other evidence does a president need or anyone involved to know that this is indeed a crisis and something needs to be done now and many, again, are calling for eric shinseki to lose his job? >> don, the answer is i don't know. if these guys are in charge of the va health system, why they weren't reading the government's own investigative reports on the agency itself is beyond me. we've just learning about this morning in pittsburgh, at the pittsburgh va, there's a 700-veteran wait list, waiting since 2012 to get an appointment. this is just getting worse and worse. when he...

From secretary shinseki about how he would go about fixing this problem. as you know, don, this is systemic. there's a national audit that's on going, and there's been a drip, drip, drip of more problems being revealed at va facilities around the country. so that's the challenge the president is facing as he tries to make this decision that could come as soon as today, don. >> to be fair, athena, that interview on kelly and michael that was taped after shinseki's remarks, the president may have a change of heart after they speak live today, may have a change of heart. who knows? we won't be in...

The problem. that's why you saw him lay out a series of steps. i would expect that secretary shinseki is going to have a more whole some report to give to the president when he delivers -- supposed to deliver today preliminary results of an internal review into the va system. certainly president obama is going to get a lot more details than we got from secretary shinseki in that speech. we'll have to wait and see if that's enough for president obama. i can tell you that he has been inclined to give general shinseki a lot of support. last weekend speaking to reporters, the president said no one...

Moments ago. >> let me address the elephant in the room today. you all have been very generous and polite. after and's release of an interim inspector general report, we now know that va has a systemic, totally unacceptable lack of integrity within some of our veterans health facilities. that breach of trust involved the tracking of patient wait times for appointments. our initial findings of our on going internal review of other large va health care facilities also show that to be true. that breach of integrity is irresponsible. it is indefensible and unacceptable to me. i said when this situ...