from secretary shinseki about how he would go about fixing this problem. as you know, don, this is systemic. there's a national audit that's on going, and there's been a drip, drip, drip of more problems being revealed at va facilities around the country. so that's the challenge the president is facing as he tries to make this decision that could come as soon as today, don. >> to be fair, athena, that interview on kelly and michael that was taped after shinseki's remarks, the president may have a change of heart after they speak live today, may have a change of heart. who knows? we won't be inside of that room. i'm sure someone will come out to report exactly what happened. if eric shinseki goes, we should know very quickly. about a half hour from now, meeting at the white house with eric shinseki and president barack obama. we'll continue to watch this closely for you. we will be right back.