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Working this story for us. what's new in this new report about what the secretary of veterans affairs was up to? >> wolf, this is a pretty expansive report. it finds that the chief of staff to va secretary altered an e-mail and made false statements and that then led to the secretary's wife's travel being paid for, for this more than a week long trip to europe last summer. that comes in an ig report today. that cost taxpayers more than $4,000. other findings in that report as well that he improperly accepted tickets to wimbledon that had he purchased, the ig's report said would have costed tho...

Wimbledon tickets as well as to overgo an investigation into the travel packages of the department he leads. >> what is secretary shulkin saying about this? >> release id a statement to this as well as a response to the va ig. he says, a report of this mach is a direct assault on my spouse, my character, and my understand blemished record of service to the veterans affairs administration. your staff's conduct related to this investigation reeks of an agenda. he's not the only cabinet official who's been under fire for travel practices. there have been five other cabinet secretaries under fire....

>> for senior executive level personnel, given their track record over the last couple years, absolutely. >> do you expect it to happen? >> yes. >> okay. would you just go through it for us, please? you blew the whistle on this. then what happened to you? >> well, actually i blew the whistle on something else is when the retaliation started. i'd rather not go into. and several -- i started with the safety issues. i was making trouble, as they would say. i would say bringing up very serious issues. and i sent my letter off in october and the va i.g. came out briefly in september and basically n...

No. there is no possible way. >> juan: bill clinton wants point is. this i'm surprised at. this i'm not. >> juan: bill clinton is saying that the investors should know what they are investing in. if they don't know what they're investing in, you can't blame goldman sachs. so they broke no law in the opinion of democrat bill clinton that. >> could end up being correct. my point on this is the whole sec investigation is a red herring. it's like going after al capone on a jay walking charge and giving him a $5 ticket. what we should be angry, all taxpayers should be upset about goldman for is the...

Going to stick it to goldman. they are not sticking to goldman. goldman will settle this sec case for a couple million and it will be nothing. >> juan: get off the politics for a moment and look at the national. what's good more the nation? some institutions on wall street too big to fail. if they fail it impacts us badly. it freezes the credit market. >> right. >> juan: it makes it impossible to do business on main street. are you saying ignore that? let these big boys fail? >> what i'm saying is the horse is already -- the horses are out of the barn at that point. it is because of 20 years o...