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Quote, unlike the va, no one on the exchanges is buying insurance from the government. the government doesn't employ doctors or decide how much they'll get paid or require them to accept any of the insurance plans sold through the exchanges. obamacare is not a health care system. the va is. so why do those on the right pretend the va problems have to do or are similar in some way to the health care law, goldie? >> you know, reverend sharpton, the fact of the matter is the issues happening today with the va have existed for a decade or even more. when veterans like myself were denied care or de...

Has had the ability to send veterans to doctors outsid the va system when the va is overwhelmed. it's completely unclear why they haven't been doing that. now the va says they are going to be doing that systemwide. don? >> what a mess, especially for the veterans. some are taking the anger to that the people who represent them on capitol hill. here is what one man said about missouri senator roy blunt who toured a va hospital in st. louis yesterday. >> he represents me. well, represent. you know what i'm doing? quit the delays. talk to the people who go here. >> our senior investigative corres...

An unbelievable mess and tragedy for so many people. >> really? so jury cayou're calling for ge shinseki to step down or be fired tonight? >> absolutely. he's not demonstrated the leadership you hope to see in a circumstance of this nature. look, when you have a major hospital network like the va system, you expect it to have benchmarks and investigations looking at each aspect of how the hospital is run comparing it with public and private hospitals outside the military system and to be able to identify problems before they become as acute and serious and chronic in respects as you're seeing ...

Years ago to you have a every veteran the chance to get their income the private system. bill: what's unique about your background is you worked in the va system and the private sector. now you are working in the public sector. can the private sector help the va in a way that it could never do on its own? in other words, would there be more after burden after private sector? is this something we can knock off in an easy way? >> the private sector can expand to need. that many the way the free market system works. i worked in military hospitals, va hospitals and the private sector. of those thr...

Implemented? >> if the end game in obamacare is a single pair federally one system you are looking at the va system is that system and as we are finding out in spade right now, that system just doesn't work. it's not going to work for our veterans and it's not going to work for americans. >> we are going to keep in touch with you and your office. thank you, sir, for your time. martha: a game show has turned into a ratings gold mine on cable tv and it's based entirely on the bible. it's a runaway hit. what that says about faith-based entertainment. bill: maybe not the ever. maybe top five worst...