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That donald trump might not have in his corner but i'm not entirely sure it will get those moderates and women which is what he needs right now. >> i want to bring the other guys in. here's my last point, among newt gingrich and giuliani and trump they have nine wives among the three of them. they need some sort of more conservative christian or whatever traditional religious kind of person to come in and say you're okay. because those other surrogates are not helping trump in the heartland, that's my thinking. giuliani and newt are not helping trump. he needs somebody with a more traditional ...

Here's my last point, among newt gingrich and giuliani and trump they have nine wives among the three of them. they need some sort of more conservative christian or whatever traditional religious kind of person to come in and say you're okay. because those other surrogates are not helping trump in the heartland, that's my thinking. giuliani and newt are not helping trump. he needs somebody with a more traditional -- i'm not making value judgment here. more traditional thinking about human behavior to back them up. he's not getting the right surrogates out there. in his harshest attack of the...

So he's still on the main stage by the skin of his teeth. but that's not the only big news tonight. the line-up for the undercard debate, the kids' table debate, is pretty stunning as well. not only because chris christie's going to be there and mike huckabee's going to be there too. it's also stunning because of who is not even going to be there and how that was decided by fox. so check this out. the candidates who are going to be at thkidsta are chris christie, mike huckabee, rick santorum, and bobby jindal. bobby jindal is in. he's in even though south carolina senator lindsey graham is out...

The candidates who are going to be at the kids' table debate are chris christie, mike huckabee, rick santorum, and bobby jindal. bobby jindal is in. he's in even though south carolina senator lindsey graham is out. altogether not allowed to debate at all. the reason this is especially surprising is because of a very big, very surprising value judgment made by the folks over at fox business. we've been reporting recently how fox has refused to say in advance which national polls they would use to decide the line-ups for their debate. well, in the end tonight for some reason they chose to includ...

Is hillary clinton not, then? >> no. i'm not saying that. what i'm focused on and what i'm certainly saying is all of the attributes and all of the skills and the pluses that we believe the vice president would bring to the office of president. i would not make any value judgment in any of the other candidates that are currently running for the same office. >> harold schaitberger, thanks so much for being with us. really appreciate your insight here. you are one of the few who has spoken to the vice president and is talking out loud. thank you. >> thank you. thank you for having me. let's co...