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Husband? >> no. go after bain. >> attack him because of his record in massachusetts? kind of hard when his biggest achievement was creating obama care a few years ahead of president obama. >> no. you can definitely use that to your benefit, though. >> so what do you do? they've got one card to play, and it's that he's this greedy rich guy. he is the 1%. i think that's all they've got with this guy. he's sufficiently bland enough that you don't have a lot of -- >> that's not all they've got. come on. >> ed rendell? >> well, i think, joe, you're right in the sense that other than -- and i think ...

Methods shows the methods work, number one, and protected the american people, number two. if you are going to go like panetta did, well maybe we could have gotten it another way, fine, fine. the fact of the matter is these people are on the record of saying it never works, blah-blah-blah. now, the value question. the value question -- >> well let me respond to that. let me just say that in fact, the sequence as i understand it from the people in the intelligence community is what ksm did is he lied about the identity of the courier and that set off the alarms -- >> that has not been confirmed...

Protected the american people, number two. if you are going to go like panetta did and i know, as i said i know why pa panetta did t maybe we could have gotten it another way. okay, fine, fine. the fact of the matter is, these people are on the record as saying never works. coerced inhair gation never works, ba, ba, ba, ba. the value question. >> let me respond to that. let me just say that, in fact, the sequence, as i understand it from people in the intelligence community is that what ksm did was he lied about the identity of the courier and that set off the alarm. >> bill: that hasn't been ...

Number two. if you are going to go like panetta did and i know, as i said i know why pa panetta did t maybe we could have gotten it another way. okay, fine, fine. the fact of the matter is, these people are on the record as saying never works. coerced inhair gation never works, ba, ba, ba, ba. the value question. >> let me respond to that. let me just say that, in fact, the sequence, as i understand it from people in the intelligence community is that what ksm did was he lied about the identity of the courier and that set off the alarm. >> bill: that hasn't been confirmed, juan. that's just fl...

Robert. amped. there were 350 workers. it went bankrupt, went out of business. sometimes you and i know it's inevitable. sometimes private equity fails. the workers lost their jobs. but the investors took $100 million out. the workers also lost most of their pension and retiree health care benefits. did anybody think to ask the investors, hey, guys, let's take $80 million out in profit. that's a thighs profit. and let's leave $20 million so these workers can have their pensions, or at least a substantial pension, workers who worked for the company and gave their all. that's a value question, a...