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Like ohio and pennsylvania, wisconsin? >> charlie: talk about not learning any lessons from 2016. this is perfect evidence. until working people can ride a unicorn to work, none of these things are going to work out very well. >> capri: we don't have unicorns in ohio and i think it shows. we are one of the few places. tim ryan and i are from the same place. he is my member of congress, he was the state senator before me. i think you can see that we speak very similarly. people in the middle of the country have a little bit more of a realistic approach. tim, much as i, we believe in climate cha...

Governor walker caused a lot of concern that he was damaging the educational future of wisconsin kids. he rejected a way to have health insurance. he did not stand up for coverage for pre-existing conditions. there were a lot of things people were concerned about including water issues. across the midwest, there is an increasing concern about clean water. you know the story. it is not just michigan. and we feel good about those democrats now who will stand up for clean water and jobs and kids. that's a pretty good value statement. >> i know you said that you are not ruling out a 2020 bid. what...

Supreme court will be able to prevent or state from recognizing this value statement of a woman's right of choice. so we will control our own destiny state by state, governor by governor. and that's why these governors races are absolutely imperative. >> in the districts -- the districts are a big deal for people. they'll think that's done on the federal level:00 and they realize it's done on the state level, which the gop certainly realized about 17 years ago when they started putting so much money and organizing into state legislature seats and wound up taking about 100 of them away from dem...

Make progress state by state. we can be a check on the president as well. on the muslim ban, on his action to try to cut the funding for law enforcement, we can check that in court and otherwise. >> some cultural things also. you governors have tremendous sway within your states. if roe v. wade does come up, if conservatives get what they want which is repealing, it falls to state. each state will make their own real culture statement about what is going to be allowed. >> you can't count on the supreme court under the current conditions to protect your right to a woman's right of choice. my st...

To be a backlash if you don't take a stand, and then you fear the backlash from the people who do want you to take a stand. >> yeah, first of all, as a business owner, you can't avoid this topic. it's not one that you'll be able to sidestep or won't go away. and in some ways, it's getting much more pronounced. because through social media, my ability to influence is not based on a capital campaign. i don't have to pay people to get out and protest. i do it very effectively just online. so my advice for most business owners is prepare for this, talk about it, have the conversation at least inte...