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Hours. so is this a clever example of kind of wait and see? >> yeah, i think that she's done a good job of introducing herself to people. most people don't know who kamala harris is. her name i.d. is pretty low. that's the challenge for so many democratic candidates. i would hope that my democratic friends across the aisle would learn from the jungle primary that the republicans went through and what happened when so many candidates stayed in the race for vanity campaigns and allowed donald trump to solidify his base of support about 10% or 15%. >> so how do democrats learn from that? >> if i'...

That guy who works out of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. so there has to be give and take. whether or not a president trump can do that? that remains to be seen, of course. >> interestingly enough. robert case, the former secretary of defense under presidents bush and obama. he wrote an on ed and said we need a president who understands there are three branches of government. coalition building is important. our new leader should appeal to the better angels of our nature. he was quoting abraham lincoln and you got to believe he was talking about donald trump. >> i agree with that. and i agree with ...