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Wasn't a treaty but a political agreement barack obama signed on to and instead of bringing it to congress he had it ratified by the united nations and when they say you're violating international law we say you must not have read our constitution. if we want a deal with north korea to be enforceable it's good for north korea to go to congress because then it's a binding treaty. >> bill: they need a lock-tight case to bring this to congress then. whether it's you or somebody else, you'll go at this thing? >> that's true of any treaty involving things of this magnitude. we've done things before...

These two men have studied each other. here's jim clapper's take on what he's seen from the foreign right-hand man. >> he seemed to me to be a bit overwhelmed by what he was experiencing. >> do you trust him? >> well, i think with the north koreans you definitely need to be in the trust but verify mode. >> that's the fascinating part here. i think even the president's fiercest critics have said, if you think there's reason to go forward with this, give it a shot. north korea has nuclear weapons capable of reaching the united states mainland. they've been a developer of those programs. the pres...