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Campaign, the farewell speech. and after korea, do you know how many u.s. soldiers were killed after korea? >> he claims zero. i think there were one or two but he claims zero. >> if you could just stay narrative. but the thing is, ike confounded his critics. this guy was not afraid to stand up. >> he had this ability to carry responsibility. and boy, you do not feel that these days. you know, there's a disconnect here, because the consultants and the people who advise politicians say, boy, you cannot offend this group and you cannot offend that group. and if you recommend taking away their ta...

On the deal. >> what do you find most fascinating about that? >> i just ask the questions. i'm a journalist. >> when in rome do as the romans do. they don't pay taxes in italy either. that's always been the problem in italy, they don't pay taxes. >> so what was the crime? >> no crime actually. >> just makes him look bad, huh? >> maybe it doesn't make him look bad. maybe it makes him look like a really good businessman. >> your column today talks about romney playing his trump card. >> you're staying on his taxes. do you think independence care -- maybe they do. do you think voters care about t...

Going to do pretty well. >> yeah, a great example is kennedy beating fnixon. nixon was much more prepared, pitch the time he was 30 years old he had done everything. he was vice president at 39. amazing. if the president thinks he can outsmart the guy on the stage, you have to go in prepared. you have to prepare lines, you have to be organized. romney will go in with four or five lines. i'll bet one of the lines will be "mr. president, you're a good man, you're a good family man, you've really done everything you could and here we are, here we are." it's a killer. then you say, pause, "and unl...

Starts asking what's wrong with the other three or four years. it's very hard to win. >> they called on jack kennedy to release his tax returns so they could know more about the man. >> i get the feeling he can tell you right now his last 12 years of taxes each year what he paid. he's that kind of guy. so tell us. >> he told abc news and would look back and tell them if he paidnd 13.9%. >> he says i want to reduce the corporate tax rate and keep at least the bush tax cuts for the rich. he's always talked about that's the way to stimulate the economy. if you're going to constantly focus on taxe...

Pick a team of rivals for his cabinet. it's fascinating, isn't it? >> it is. and it's schlesinger and others that chris has just written about and had this sense with fdr and with kennedy that the president is the vital center of action. in this case it's the president period basically with the exception as mika points out with the vice president. having two books about jfk, who loved politics so much, what is your take on obama's seeming lack of fondness for the fray that kennedy so thrived on? >> i think that's changing, john. this guy's getting into it. we have a story coming out, the new b...