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But can he stand on the stage with donald trump and the razzle-dazzle factor of donald trump? i don't think he can. >> it's a personal narrative. does it translate into a political movement? personal narratives are great but they don't encapsulate those issues that trump totally galvanizes. >> trump does have the personality. desantis has a damn good record. i am telling you, when he starts presenting that, and be honest, tim scott is a smart guy. everyone knows he is running for vice president. where is his record? >> he is more of a bush republican. he is not a trump guy. >> the last debate ...

If you spend time with desantis in the room, he could be good. he is compelling and has a good story. he is just plain different issues. i disagree with you on the abortion issue. it didn't move the needle for him at all. the needle is moving backwards. >> to your point, is he trying to drop president trump into a debate about abortion for the base? i think sean has hinted at that. >> maybe. but you better get better advisors. karl rove, i don't know. >> god bless karl rove. we are not going back to the bush years. >> that's not really what i mean. get people that understand the campaign. he d...

Consistently since 2020. >> they think donald trump is an easy win for that. they want to take him out early. they will do that to the top two or three republican candidates and try to take them all out. >> it doesn't look like glenn youngkin will get and. >> desantis has told people that the mike pompeo news is indicative that if he gets in he will clear the field. he has said that to donors. the other thing is that the donors that trump cannot win. then they listen to joe biden for five minutes. >> wall street wanted him and wall street got him. >> you don't think he can make it. >> we alrea...

A governor i was, and then i went a big victory, and then all of a sudden he have just different opinions. >> and, alex, you message me yesterday and you are like, show me the goods. so we came down to where the goods are, and i'm glad you did, because i think it's actually quite representative what we're talking about. this is ron, ron, you run a maga mall. give me an idea of how much trump paraphernalia you have, and you have anybody else at the table? >> we've got some signs for donald trump, we have rhonda santa's, and we have a desantis bling cap here. >> we have one desantis had here. >>...

People that they've produced, have been people like senator tom cotton. senator cruz, so they have been disrupters in the fund raising world. so, like i said, i would have advised desantis to skip cpac, all it's going to do, neil, is put trump versus desantis and people are going to, in the media, see how that they're, you know, treating each other, and did they say anything, whose speech was better. neil: yeah, maybe. >> and the straw polls. we predict trump at cpac to probably win the straw poll there. neil: you know, phil, i'm just wondering, we're following the money guys, as we should, th...