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And metadata, the committee has used link analysis, a data mapping technique that former fbi agents say was used to identify terrorist leaders in the 9/11 act. what does that tell you, frank, about the sophistication of this investigation? >> i'm encouraged to hear this, it's what we used to call the enterprise theory of investigation and today there's all kinds of software that engages in victim analysis and network analysis that can tell you, look, while this guy was talking to this person at this time, this similar conversation was going on here and then they hooked up an hour later. we can...

I don't think we will learn a lot from this. i think prosecutors have to be careful to appear to be unfair. the way that tisch james spoke about this issue of going after trump during her campaign and afterwards gives the impression she's targeting on one person. prosecutors have to be careful about that. it plays right into trump's victim analysis, right, everyone is going after him. she and her shop can look into this, i don't think they will learn a lot and i think she has to be careful targeting him because it looks questionable. >> in michael cohen's testimony in front of congress he said...