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Seoul. tensions were very high at the time. i think many people thought it wasn't a good time to go to the dmz. thee security risks were quite high. but he r tried to do it. but fog that morning made it very difficult for him to do so. the outpost that he's visiting is traditionally what u.s. presidents do. what'sen interesting about his visit this time, and it's really speaking of this effort at a peace process is normally the president would go up there, he would put on a bomber jacket or an army jacket and stand there with bin oculars and look out, be very stern and talk about the derns and...

Security protocols that are in place. while i've gotha you, richard, d you heard me maybe speak with gordon chang about this as well as victor ascha, the issue of human rights, and i wanted to get back to that interview that you had done with again that north korean that had escaped, right? that was in the d dmz. and what you learned about human rights from that interview and that story. >> reporter: actually, i didn't do thatr: interview. that was keir simmons. it was a different correspondent for nbc. but i'm familiar with the story. and actually yesterday i interviewed another north korean ...

Army colonel jack jacobs. msnbc military analyst. you heard colonel, how jack -- excuse me, how victor was happening the nuclear capability, the interimmediate yacht missiles as well as the long-range missiles that could be of great consequence. >> and they continue to develop their capabilities. it's one thing toft delivery means. it's another thing to have the warheads. but you've got to be able to make the o two. it's not entirely clear whether or not all of their delivery vehicles can have nuclear capability. but there's no doubt about the fact that they all threaten not just american inte...

Doesn't have a lot of interest in the united states increasing any of its influence on the korean peninsula. north korea doesn't as well. and the net result of that as victor said earlier was that what we're going to see today is a photo opportunity and it's hard to see how it's going to result in anything positive. if what we're looking for is north korea to give up any of its nuclear capability. >> hans nichols. thank you so much, colonel. hans nichols still with us. hans, one of the points, if we can pull two together here, not only what was made by the colonel but also by victor and richar...

Military advance team flying overhead. >> richard, when that happens certainly do wave us down in case we are still talking at the moment. we'll get straight back to your cameras immediately. as we saw four military helicopters just at the start of richard's report just now fly overhead. and we expect again within the next five or ten minutes that the president, at least from what we understand, should be arriving at the dmz. whether we'll actually be able to see'l that helicopter arriver not is to be determined. victor cha still on the phone with us right now. a part of this legacy that now r...